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> Seems to me it’s clear who the asshole is, David A. Cooley and it looks > like it comes naturally to you. The original poster said nothing to > deserve your idiotic response. I’ll go out on a limb here and surmise > you’re a short, little dork with a huge case of > "small-man-in-a-big-truck" syndrome. Why don’t you go bother the people > in alt.wanker instead. It’s clear you would fit right in.

I was thinking the same thing after reading his posts.

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Mr. Cooley, Not to be disrespectful but, you are being extremely obnoxious in your responses.   In my fifteen years as a mechanic, I have seen the effects of these oiled cotton filters.  They are OK for a short period but, as time degrades the filtering media, they do indeed allow a great amount of dirt to bypass them into the intake system and is evident in the deposits I have seen on the filtered side.   American Honda has done research into the best filtering media in terms of life vs effectiveness.  There engineers agree that while a gauze filter (K&N) may have a longer service life, its effectiveness rapidly decreases as the "cotton" wears thin. Try this, pour some dirty oil thru a gauze filter, then thru an OEM paper filter.  See the difference?  Some may state that a properly oiled K&N is equivalent but, the term is "properly".  How many people know what this is or take the time to even bother at all.  The fact is people see these ads about BIG performance and mileage gains and are immediately sold on there product. It is all BS, there are no "free" gains when it comes in terms of internal combustion engines.  The manufacturers spend thousands of hour testing and tweaking there products for the best overall performance in terms of power and longevity.  Do you think if they could squeeze out any more power or mileage (to please the EPA) then they would indeed use this *superior* filter?   While my opinions are just that, opinions, I feel that there is no substite for a paper air filter in tems of engine performance and protection.   Regards, TMS – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Had you read the instructions, Asshole, you would have found that K&N >recomends you check and re-oil FREQUENTLY in off-road/dusty situations.

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you have to oil them extra for off-road uses… — 92′ EB Explorer, JBL, 4×4, Catback & K&N http://home1.gte.net/1ateam/explorer/index.html – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My info. is based on the 7.3 diesel pickup I had. At 50,000 miles of off > road driving with the stock air filter, it would plug up on regular > intervals causing the air restriction gauge to read 100% restriction. > I then opted for a washable, reusable K&N to save money on air filter > replacements. After another 10,000 miles with the K&N, the air filter > restriction gauge read 25% restriction. I checked the filter anyway. I found > a load of dust inside the intake tube all the way to the turbo. The edges of > the turbo blades were rounded, not excessively worn, but had noticeable wear > which was not there before the K&N. At that time I trashed the K&N and went > back to using the stock air filters. > I guess if you just use your vehicle to drive to the mall, the K&N should be > ok. If you use your vehicle off road or dusty areas, I recommend not to use > them, based on my own personal experience. > Clueless Troll > And you base your info on what, Einstein? > I’ve had 5 different vehicles with K&N filters in them all their lives, > and on the 2 I tore down for other problems (I caused), there was NO > wear in the cylinders… no ridge etc.  Dust coming in the intake would > wear the heck out of the rings.  Both had over 100K when I tore into > them. > Get a clue, Troll!

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> > Forget the K&N filter. If you insist on a

K&N, just remove the stock air > filter and leave the air box empty. The

results will be the same, you get an > engine full of dust. Or just put an oily rag in the air box. > And you base your info on what, Einstein? > I’ve had 5 different vehicles with K&N filters

in them all their lives, > and on the 2 I tore down for other problems (I

caused), there was NO > wear in the cylinders… no ridge etc.  Dust

coming in the intake would > wear the heck out of the rings.  Both had over

100K when I tore into > them. > Get a clue, Troll!

Get a clue troll is right!! I’ve had a K&N on for about 25,000 Km,  I did notice a slight increase in mileage.  I have also had the air intake ducting coming from the MAF to the intake apart for other service – I checked the insides and there were absolutely no signs of oiling or dirt,  it was as clean as a whistle!! Blow that one out your ear! Before you buy.

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Think what you want. Your so far off your about to fall into the north sea. Stupid fucking canuck! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Seems to me it’s clear who the asshole is, David A. Cooley and it looks > like it comes naturally to you. The original poster said nothing to > deserve your idiotic response. I’ll go out on a limb here and surmise > you’re a short, little dork with a huge case of > "small-man-in-a-big-truck" syndrome. Why don’t you go bother the people > in alt.wanker instead. It’s clear you would fit right in.

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> Seems to me it’s clear who the asshole is, David A. Cooley and it looks > like it comes naturally to you. The original poster said nothing to > deserve your idiotic response. I’ll go out on a limb here and surmise > you’re a short, little dork with a huge case of > "small-man-in-a-big-truck" syndrome. Why don’t you go bother the people > in alt.wanker instead. It’s clear you would fit right in.

You canadians think your so bad then come on down and see if your "thought" was right… Ever had the shit kicked out of you by a 7 foot tall 280lb man? Bring it on and you will!

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I just installed a K&N filter in my 94 F150 5.0L.  A performance improvement was immediately noticable.  The engine has more power.  I have found that I no longer need to tromp the gas to pass whereas before the transmission was constatly down-shifting to make power.  Basically it takes less foot to get the job done.  I track milage but haven’t ran more than a tank or two through it since so I don’t know if milage has improved – I suspect it has.  Perhaps the larger 5.0L has a bigger payoff since more air is being sucked through roughly the same size filter element as the V6.  As for MAF getting oily, I’ve heard this before.  We’ll see what happens. Haven’t heard enough bad reports to be afraid to try.  I will be careful not to over oil the element though. In article <T1P44.729 > ‘98 Sport SOHC… I tried the K&N filter that

replaces the stock filter. (no > modifications to the stock air box) I found NO

improvement in performance or > fuel economy. I have taken it out due to

concerns about the ‘OILED" filters > getting the mass air flow sensors dirty. Mike > "ManikExplorer"

message 073.remarq.com… > Hello PPls! >        Have any of you installed a K&n on a 1997 explorer > V6 SOHC before??? I need to know whether they work or > not… or have any of you experience any problems with it?? > Should i go for it?? thanks !!! > * Sent from AltaVista

http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find > related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos,

News, and Shopping.  Smart is > Beautiful

Before you buy.

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> Think what you want. > Your so far off your about to fall into the north sea. > Stupid fucking canuck! > Seems to me it’s clear who the asshole is, David A. Cooley and it looks > like it comes naturally to you. The original poster said nothing to > deserve your idiotic response. I’ll go out on a limb here and surmise > you’re a short, little dork with a huge case of > "small-man-in-a-big-truck" syndrome. Why don’t you go bother the people > in alt.wanker instead. It’s clear you would fit right in.

The North Sea is up England way. Your idiotic comment, Cooley, just proves that, not only are you a little goof in a big truck, you also failed Geography in high school. For you to condemn someone for their alleged stupidity is faint praise coming from so apparent a retarded asslicker as yourself. Please do us all a favor and go far, far away, preferably to another galaxy. Like an uncooperative turd lodged in the filthy toilet of some squalid truckstop restroom, you need to be plunged away to a deeper, more watery realm.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Had you read the instructions, Asshole, you would have found that K&N > recomends you check and re-oil FREQUENTLY in off-road/dusty situations. > As you accumulate dust, you wick oil away from the filtration media. > You need to replace the oil to continue to get proper filtration. > Sounds like your problem was caused by being a moron… > Obviously because you owned a "powerjoke" > My info. is based on the 7.3 diesel pickup I had. At 50,000 miles of off > road driving with the stock air filter, it would plug up on regular > intervals causing the air restriction gauge to read 100% restriction. > I then opted for a washable, reusable K&N to save money on air filter > replacements. After another 10,000 miles with the K&N, the air filter > restriction gauge read 25% restriction. I checked the filter anyway. I found > a load of dust inside the intake tube all the way to the turbo. The edges of > the turbo blades were rounded, not excessively worn, but had noticeable wear > which was not there before the K&N. At that time I trashed the K&N and went > back to using the stock air filters. > I guess if you just use your vehicle to drive to the mall, the K&N should be > ok. If you use your vehicle off road or dusty areas, I recommend not to use > them, based on my own personal experience. > Clueless Troll

Seems to me it’s clear who the asshole is, David A. Cooley and it looks like it comes naturally to you. The original poster said nothing to deserve your idiotic response. I’ll go out on a limb here and surmise you’re a short, little dork with a huge case of "small-man-in-a-big-truck" syndrome. Why don’t you go bother the people in alt.wanker instead. It’s clear you would fit right in.

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>Think what you want. >Your so far off your about to fall into the north sea. >Stupid fucking canuck!

This is a really mature, profound thread.   Guy A Ripley, TN

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I want to apologize to everyone. I was WAY out of line.  Just had a relative die, and was told I couldn’t have time off work… Need to direct my anger where it belongs. Thanks, Dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Think what you want. >Your so far off your about to fall into the north sea. >Stupid fucking canuck! > This is a really mature, profound thread. > Guy A > Ripley, TN

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Seems to me it’s clear who the asshole is, David A. Cooley and it looks > like it comes naturally to you. The original poster said nothing to > deserve your idiotic response. I’ll go out on a limb here and surmise > you’re a short, little dork with a huge case of > "small-man-in-a-big-truck" syndrome. Why don’t you go bother the people > in alt.wanker instead. It’s clear you would fit right in. > You canadians think your so bad then come on down and see if your > "thought" was right… > Ever had the shit kicked out of you by a 7 foot tall 280lb man? > Bring it on and you will!

Oh, this is priceless. Threatening somebody over the Internet. What an unbelievable loser. I still think you’re a pathetic, short little dork with a huge chip on your shoulder. Now, back to discussing our favourite truck with the normal people in the group.

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I did read the instructions. I checked it at 25% restriction. If damage is done at 25% restriction, then what is the safe area of operation for this filter, 10%?  5%? 1%? With a paper filter you can use the restriction gauge, with the K&N, (I now know) you can’t. This was not in the instructions. Maybe I should have re-oiled it every 10 miles to save the turbo. How frequent should you re-oil in dusty areas anyway? Every week? Every day? You can’t really measure the dust, so, how frequent is "frequent" If the clean city driven 4×4 goes on a camping trip on the dusty trail, should they do the "frequent" re-oil after every trip? Or a few times during the trip? What’s your experience with that? From my experience, I’ll never use a K&N again, and I still compare a K&N with an oil rag. Clueless Troll Asshole Moron who drives a "PowerJoke" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Had you read the instructions, Asshole, you would have found that K&N > recomends you check and re-oil FREQUENTLY in off-road/dusty situations. > As you accumulate dust, you wick oil away from the filtration media. > You need to replace the oil to continue to get proper filtration. > Sounds like your problem was caused by being a moron… > Obviously because you owned a "powerjoke"

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Well, I can see an oil drip from a loose plug or filter. These are pretty much the same on every car. The airbox on the Explorer is somewhat different Mr. Cooley. I had visual evidence that the airbox is a problem. I have not had evidence that they failed to change the oil properly. I use the same shop when possible (i.e. not travelling) and have gotten to know the management and a few of the employees. I’m sure they think I’m just a bit weird, using Mobil 1 and changing every 3,000, but they use my 5 quarts of oil and filter just the same. They told me about the pinion seal leak at 30,000, so they aren’t doing a bad job. On top of that, they are set up to deal with the used oil in an efficient manner. No matter what I do, it will be additional time spent dealling with it appropriately. Lets see, final arguement is $20 for a 10 min oil change vs 1/2+ hr of my time at $100/hr. Its clear to me which is the best choice. YMMV. Clark – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’ve had a K&N on for about 30,000. No problems w/MAF. I am concerned > about the filter Oil when/if I service it. I may not service it, I may just toss > it > and buy another. The dollar comparison isn’t that far apart for 1 paper > filter every 10-12,000 and one K&N every 50,000. I drive unpaved > roads so the K & N makes sense. > I was more concerned about indications that dust was getting past the > filter when ham fisted quick lube shop personnel replaced the filter cover > incorrectly. After looking at the filter housing a bit, it appears to me to be > a questionable design. Anyway, my solution, for now, is to use a filter with > a long change interval. Get the filter housing put together right and don’t mess > If your concern is ham fisted quick lube employees not putting the cover > back on right, why trust them with the oil change as well?  Simple > maintenance you can do for 1/3 the price they charge and you know it’s > done right.

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If the airbox is the only problem and they seem responsible every other way, then maybe bring it to their attention or just check it before you drive off.  Out here, a good quick lube place is hard to find… They hire people that have never seen under the hood, and if they have, don’t know what they are looking at.  They told me I needed to "flush" my washer fluid because it was "all green" the one and only time I went there… They were looking at the radiator coolant overflow bottle… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Well, I can see an oil drip from a loose plug or filter. These are pretty much the > same on every car. The airbox on the Explorer is somewhat different Mr. Cooley. > I had visual evidence that the airbox is a problem. I have not had evidence that > they failed to change the oil properly. I use the same shop when possible (i.e. not > travelling) and have gotten to know the management and a few of the employees. > I’m sure they think I’m just a bit weird, using Mobil 1 and changing every > 3,000, but they use my 5 quarts of oil and filter just the same. They told me > about the pinion seal leak at 30,000, so they aren’t doing a bad job. > On top of that, they are set up to deal with the used oil in an efficient manner. > No matter what I do, it will be additional time spent dealling with it appropriately. > Lets see, final arguement is $20 for a 10 min oil change vs 1/2+ hr of my time at > $100/hr. > Its clear to me which is the best choice. YMMV.

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Forget the K&N filter. If you insist on a K&N, just remove the stock air filter and leave the air box empty. The results will be the same, you get an engine full of dust. Or just put an oily rag in the air box. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello PPls! >        Have any of you installed a K&n on a 1997 explorer > V6 SOHC before??? I need to know whether they work or > not… or have any of you experience any problems with it?? > Should i go for it?? thanks !!!

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> Forget the K&N filter. If you insist on a K&N, just remove the stock air > filter and leave the air box empty. The results will be the same, you get an > engine full of dust. Or just put an oily rag in the air box.

And you base your info on what, Einstein? I’ve had 5 different vehicles with K&N filters in them all their lives, and on the 2 I tore down for other problems (I caused), there was NO wear in the cylinders… no ridge etc.  Dust coming in the intake would wear the heck out of the rings.  Both had over 100K when I tore into them. Get a clue, Troll!

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My info. is based on the 7.3 diesel pickup I had. At 50,000 miles of off road driving with the stock air filter, it would plug up on regular intervals causing the air restriction gauge to read 100% restriction. I then opted for a washable, reusable K&N to save money on air filter replacements. After another 10,000 miles with the K&N, the air filter restriction gauge read 25% restriction. I checked the filter anyway. I found a load of dust inside the intake tube all the way to the turbo. The edges of the turbo blades were rounded, not excessively worn, but had noticeable wear which was not there before the K&N. At that time I trashed the K&N and went back to using the stock air filters. I guess if you just use your vehicle to drive to the mall, the K&N should be ok. If you use your vehicle off road or dusty areas, I recommend not to use them, based on my own personal experience. Clueless Troll – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> And you base your info on what, Einstein? > I’ve had 5 different vehicles with K&N filters in them all their lives, > and on the 2 I tore down for other problems (I caused), there was NO > wear in the cylinders… no ridge etc.  Dust coming in the intake would > wear the heck out of the rings.  Both had over 100K when I tore into > them. > Get a clue, Troll!

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Had you read the instructions, Asshole, you would have found that K&N recomends you check and re-oil FREQUENTLY in off-road/dusty situations. As you accumulate dust, you wick oil away from the filtration media. You need to replace the oil to continue to get proper filtration. Sounds like your problem was caused by being a moron… Obviously because you owned a "powerjoke" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > My info. is based on the 7.3 diesel pickup I had. At 50,000 miles of off > road driving with the stock air filter, it would plug up on regular > intervals causing the air restriction gauge to read 100% restriction. > I then opted for a washable, reusable K&N to save money on air filter > replacements. After another 10,000 miles with the K&N, the air filter > restriction gauge read 25% restriction. I checked the filter anyway. I found > a load of dust inside the intake tube all the way to the turbo. The edges of > the turbo blades were rounded, not excessively worn, but had noticeable wear > which was not there before the K&N. At that time I trashed the K&N and went > back to using the stock air filters. > I guess if you just use your vehicle to drive to the mall, the K&N should be > ok. If you use your vehicle off road or dusty areas, I recommend not to use > them, based on my own personal experience. > Clueless Troll

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I have and it worked fine cant tell any performance changes though. > Hello PPls! >        Have any of you installed a K&n on a 1997 explorer > V6 SOHC before??? I need to know whether they work or > not… or have any of you experience any problems with it?? > Should i go for it?? thanks !!! > * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find

related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is Beautiful – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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> I’ve had a K&N on for about 30,000. No problems w/MAF. I am concerned > about the filter Oil when/if I service it. I may not service it, I may just toss > it > and buy another. The dollar comparison isn’t that far apart for 1 paper > filter every 10-12,000 and one K&N every 50,000. I drive unpaved > roads so the K & N makes sense. > I was more concerned about indications that dust was getting past the > filter when ham fisted quick lube shop personnel replaced the filter cover > incorrectly. After looking at the filter housing a bit, it appears to me to be > a questionable design. Anyway, my solution, for now, is to use a filter with > a long change interval. Get the filter housing put together right and don’t mess

If your concern is ham fisted quick lube employees not putting the cover back on right, why trust them with the oil change as well?  Simple maintenance you can do for 1/3 the price they charge and you know it’s done right.

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‘98 Sport SOHC… I tried the K&N filter that replaces the stock filter. (no modifications to the stock air box) I found NO improvement in performance or fuel economy. I have taken it out due to concerns about the ‘OILED" filters getting the mass air flow sensors dirty. Mike

> Hello PPls! >        Have any of you installed a K&n on a 1997 explorer > V6 SOHC before??? I need to know whether they work or > not… or have any of you experience any problems with it?? > Should i go for it?? thanks !!! > * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find

related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is Beautiful

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I’ve had a K&N on for about 30,000. No problems w/MAF. I am concerned about the filter Oil when/if I service it. I may not service it, I may just toss it and buy another. The dollar comparison isn’t that far apart for 1 paper filter every 10-12,000 and one K&N every 50,000. I drive unpaved roads so the K & N makes sense. I was more concerned about indications that dust was getting past the filter when ham fisted quick lube shop personnel replaced the filter cover incorrectly. After looking at the filter housing a bit, it appears to me to be a questionable design. Anyway, my solution, for now, is to use a filter with a long change interval. Get the filter housing put together right and don’t mess with it. I haven’t seen any complaints here about the filter housing so maybe I’m just being overly critical. But, when I checked the filter at about 6,000 miles, it had dust on the intake side. Clark – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > ‘98 Sport SOHC… I tried the K&N filter that replaces the stock filter. (no > modifications to the stock air box) I found NO improvement in performance or > fuel economy. I have taken it out due to concerns about the ‘OILED" filters > getting the mass air flow sensors dirty. Mike > Hello PPls! >        Have any of you installed a K&n on a 1997 explorer > V6 SOHC before??? I need to know whether they work or > not… or have any of you experience any problems with it?? > Should i go for it?? thanks !!! > * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find > related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is > Beautiful

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Hello PPls!        Have any of you installed a K&n on a 1997 explorer V6 SOHC before??? I need to know whether they work or not… or have any of you experience any problems with it?? Should i go for it?? thanks !!! * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is Beautiful

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