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I agree, which is why I’ve already ordered some PIAA fogs that can be turned on & off seprately from the headlights and stock fogs. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >There seems to be a fair amount of chastising for someone who wants their fog >lights to work when they want them to work. My reason for making them >independent is quite simple, and I believe quite valid. I arrive late at >night at campgrounds, and to be nice, I turn off my headlights and just use >my fog lights to find a campsite. This way I don’t illuminate the campground >and annoy other people. Nothing worse than sitting around a campfire to be >beamed on by headlights. Anyway, some people do have valid reasons…. >-Glen

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… >It’s quite >effective and you can even approach freeway speed with less than 50 feet >visibility (I’m talking about REMOTE freeways).

… Yeah, right. 65mph with 50 foot visibility. Wait till you find that guy running with no parking lights!! Or the deer. Why do people think this is OK??? Bill Funk      All I ask is the chance to prove that money doesn’t buy happiness.

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It doesn’t matter what your reason is.   It is your vehicle and you should be able to do what you want to it.  If you want to drive with only the fog lights on that should be reason enough.  Isn’t it bad enough we have to deal with enough government mandates that include airbags and day time driving lights.  Let the Engineers get back to designing cars instead of the government.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->There seems to be a fair amount of chastising for someone who wants their fog >lights to work when they want them to work. My reason for making them >independent is quite simple, and I believe quite valid. I arrive late at >night at campgrounds, and to be nice, I turn off my headlights and just use >my fog lights to find a campsite. This way I don’t illuminate the campground >and annoy other people. Nothing worse than sitting around a campfire to be >beamed on by headlights. Anyway, some people do have valid reasons…. >-Glen

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The joys of DRLs … standard with all Ford products (and everyone else’s vehicles) sold in Canada. Stephen >  I arrive late at > night at campgrounds, and to be nice, I turn off my headlights and just use > my fog lights to find a campsite.

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I’m surprised that anyone bothered to tell Les how to do this.  It seems that there are a good number of drivers out there who don’t understand that car lights are also there to be seen by others.  Look at the number of drivers who refuse to turn on any lights, (or just parking lights), at dawn, dusk, and during inclement weather.  Apparently their idea is that why turn on lights when they can see the road perfectly well. Regarding Les, why would anyone be so against turning on their parking lights?  They don’t see them while driving.  Unfortunately, many drivers consider themselves cool to just have fog or driving lights on. One last note – why not install colored flourescent lights under the vehicle and just drive at night with them? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Driving with the fog lights on without the low beams is illegal under >most state laws.  It is foolish to drive in fog without at least the >parking lights on, since other cars rely on your lights to see you. >Meanwhile, many aim their foglights up into the eyes of other >motorists, and use them as a**hole weapons by leaving them on all the >time.  I’m sure you’re not one of those people. >Correctly installed foglights are aimed down-  not even level,  since >their purpose is to illuminate things close to the front of the car >when it’s foggy.  Factory fog lights are anemic substitutes for real >fog lights anyway,  thanks to the a**hole factor above. >Do you REALLY want your factory foglights to be on without even the >parking lights?

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There seems to be a fair amount of chastising for someone who wants their fog lights to work when they want them to work. My reason for making them independent is quite simple, and I believe quite valid. I arrive late at night at campgrounds, and to be nice, I turn off my headlights and just use my fog lights to find a campsite. This way I don’t illuminate the campground and annoy other people. Nothing worse than sitting around a campfire to be beamed on by headlights. Anyway, some people do have valid reasons…. -Glen

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If you’ve lived in fog country you know that in dense fog your regular headlights hamper your vision.  Having light directed more down than forward (as in fog lights) increases visibility of the lines painted on roads, and reduces light that is reflected off of the fog and back into your eyes.  If you’ve driven through areas that typically have dense fog, you might have noticed that in some places special markings (cross stipes) are painted on the shoulder line so you’ll know what and where the exits are.  It’s quite effective and you can even approach freeway speed with less than 50 feet visibility (I’m talking about REMOTE freeways).  I’m just telling you the way it is, duh, it’s not very safe to do this in the city. If you stall you better get your ass way over on the shoulder because many people somewhat straddle the white line. And you really need to have your parking lights on so the crazy guy behind you has time to at least slow down before he runs into you!

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>Based on my replies, I take it as no one knows how to do this. >On my new ‘99 XLT with fog lights, how can I turn them on without having >the >parking lights on? Is there some way to bypass that?

It’s quite easy. All it takes is a switch on the dash, a relay, and some wire & a fuse, along with some time on your part. But it’s still not a good idea. Bill Funk      All I ask is the chance to prove that money doesn’t buy happiness.

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>Based on my replies, I take it as no one knows how to do this.

Driving with the fog lights on without the low beams is illegal under most state laws.  It is foolish to drive in fog without at least the parking lights on, since other cars rely on your lights to see you. Meanwhile, many aim their foglights up into the eyes of other motorists, and use them as a**hole weapons by leaving them on all the time.  I’m sure you’re not one of those people. Correctly installed foglights are aimed down-  not even level,  since their purpose is to illuminate things close to the front of the car when it’s foggy.  Factory fog lights are anemic substitutes for real fog lights anyway,  thanks to the a**hole factor above. Do you REALLY want your factory foglights to be on without even the parking lights? Find the BROWN wire that runs to the foglight switch.  Remove that, and connect a wire that’s hot all the time.  That way you can leave them on even with the engine off, and run your still-under-warranty battery down. And don’t forget to turn your low beams on whenever the fog lights are on. dr bob

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On my new ‘99 XLT with fog lights, how can I turn them on without having the parking lights on? Is there some way to bypass that? — J. Les Gainous Want to see it? –> http://home.earthlink.net/~lesgainous/Explorer.htm Web:   http://home.earthlink.net/~lesgainous

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>On my new ‘99 XLT with fog lights, how can I turn them on without having the >parking lights on? Is there some way to bypass that?

Why? dr bob

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I can’t even turn on the fog lights without the headlights on my 97 Sport! Fog light switch must be wired into the low beam switch. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >On my new ‘99 XLT with fog lights, how can I turn them on without having the >parking lights on? Is there some way to bypass that? >– >J. Les Gainous >Want to see it? –> http://home.earthlink.net/~lesgainous/Explorer.htm >Web:   http://home.earthlink.net/~lesgainous

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Because I would like the fog lights on by themselves. — J. Les Gainous Want to see it? –> http://home.earthlink.net/~lesgainous/Explorer.htm Web:   http://home.earthlink.net/~lesgainous – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->On my new ‘99 XLT with fog lights, how can I turn them on without having the >parking lights on? Is there some way to bypass that? >Why? >dr bob

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I guess the consumers wanted the fog lights to work without the headlights, so the obliged in ‘99. Now we all want no parking lights, but just the fog lights! J. Les Gainous Want to see it? –> http://home.earthlink.net/~lesgainous/Explorer.htm Web:   http://home.earthlink.net/~lesgainous – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I can’t even turn on the fog lights without the headlights on my 97 Sport! >Fog light switch must be wired into the low beam switch. >On my new ‘99 XLT with fog lights, how can I turn them on without having >the >parking lights on? Is there some way to bypass that? >– >J. Les Gainous >Want to see it? –> http://home.earthlink.net/~lesgainous/Explorer.htm >Web:   http://home.earthlink.net/~lesgainous

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Perhaps you really want DRLs?? Stephen 1998 Explorer XL [4wd, fog lights, DRLs, Michelin LTX M/S, etc] > Now we all want no parking lights, but just the fog > lights!

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>I guess the consumers wanted the fog lights to work without the headlights, >so the obliged in ‘99. Now we all want no parking lights, but just the fog >lights!

Wouldn’t you want the parking lights to let the people behind you know you’re there? Bill Funk      All I ask is the chance to prove that money doesn’t buy happiness.

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Based on my replies, I take it as no one knows how to do this. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >On my new ‘99 XLT with fog lights, how can I turn them on without having the >parking lights on? Is there some way to bypass that? >– >J. Les Gainous >Want to see it? –> http://home.earthlink.net/~lesgainous/Explorer.htm >Web:   http://home.earthlink.net/~lesgainous

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